New to the karting scene trying to get my son competitive..
looking for homemade recipes for tire prep .we run dirt track on yellow vegas. anyone wanna share ?? Thanks
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track type and tire manufacturer will help some but your not going to get the full benefit of a lab made prep.
You’re going to spend the same amount if not more on chemicals to make the stuff than you would buying a proven prep line. With how hard it is to find tires right now let alone how much they cost, the last thing you need is accidentally junking a set of tires especially if you’re new to it. Find a prep line and learn. So much useful information on here regarding what prep to use in whatever situation.
OVALTECh2 said:
track type and tire manufacturer will help some but your not going to get the full benefit of a lab made prep.
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Any tips or tricks to get him faster . Good driver .new tires.we are fast. Not the fastest .just wanna be competitive
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I just posted this on another thread the other day
There is no issue in making your own tire pre but why would you want to make it and test it out on expensive tires when you can buy a prep from someone and you know it will work and they will help you with a detailed routine and any questions you have, just my opinion.
Jeeper2020 said:
looking for homemade recipes for tire prep .we run dirt track on yellow vegas. anyone wanna share ?? Thanks
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You'll been able to find some info on this site about home brews for tire preps. I've not used any myself to be able to speak to how well they worked. I know a handful of people who make their own prep.
Some of them are successful racers and claim to make a gallon for $30-$40. Look at the dozens of prep manufactures out there. They thought they could make something as good as or better than what was already available. I agree with the other comments that it comes with risk, both health and cost wise, and without support. However, I wouldn't let people talk you out of it if that's what you want to do.
Jeeper2020 said:
Any tips or tricks to get him faster . Good driver .new tires.we are fast. Not the fastest .just wanna be competitive
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I'd suggest reading the sticky in General Karting Forum "A go to thread for the new or newer dirt oval racer". There's some good info in there about making sure your driver is consistent, preparing and maintaining your kart, and where to look for improvements. I'd also talk with other racers at the track and see what advice they have to offer.
Maybe they watch your driver or take a look at your kart and can provide some input.
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You'll been able to find some info on this site about home brews for tire preps. I've not used any myself to be able to speak to how well they worked. I know a handful of people who make their own prep. Some of them are successful racers and claim to make a gallon for $30-$40.
Look at the dozens of prep manufactures out there. They thought they could make something as good as or better than what was already available. I agree with the other comments that it comes with risk, both health and cost wise, and without support. However, I wouldn't let people talk you out of it if that's what you want to do.
I'd suggest reading the sticky in General Karting Forum "A go to thread for the new or newer dirt oval racer". There's some good info in there about making sure your driver is consistent, preparing and maintaining your kart, and where to look for improvements. I'd also talk with other racers at the track and see what advice they have to offer. Maybe they watch your driver or take a look at your kart and can provide some input.
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The thing is though they may be successful on prep now and make it for cheap but 9 times out of 10 the first recipe they used wasn't what they are on now.
I know I can afford expensive prep but it isn't practical for me to buy a few sets of tires for me to just test my prep out. But once you get your homemade prep figured out it will for sure be cheaper but it may take a while for you to get the right recipe and it may take a few sets of tires. For me right now it is way cheaper to buy the prep I am on than make my own prep. Once you figure out the prep it will be cheaper but if you are on a budget right now I would just buy a good prep that is commonly used at the track you run at. By no means am I trying to talk you out of it but you can do what you want but this is just my opinion. Good Luck
The majority of the preps out today are all the same, made by the same company just labeled different.
Trac tac aka ATTL makes about 95% of all preps
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New to the karting scene trying to get my son competitive..
looking for homemade recipes for tire prep .we run dirt track on yellow vegas. anyone wanna share ?? ThanksClick to expand...
I would recommend purchasing as well . Especially being new .
Rolling internally might be what your missing for that extra little bit .
This is a good place to start . Simple effective and universal .https://4cycle.com/karting/threads/opinions-on-hot-lap-tire-preps.86837/
Somebody once told my just spray them with WD40, don't know if that's true or not.
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Somebody once told my just spray them with WD40, don't know if that's true or not.
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WD works on Burris for certain conditions but not all.
So does simple green.
Use either at the wrong time and you'll look out to lunch.
When and where to use preps isn't something that is learned overnight
used wd40 a lot back in the day along with Gojo cream hand cleaner (non gritty). long time ago 30+ yrs they used strait up turpentine on the tires. next evolution was acetone and transmission fluid.
wd40 will drop the duro. Don't know what concoctions they come up with today but i would assume its a mix of thinners and oils in some form or another. agree with the post above todays prep is condition specific. to my knowledge there is no 1 prep that fits all conditions. you would need to develop several to cover the gamut.
I had a local known clutch builder last night tell me that gasoline works well on Vegas.
ggodwin said:
I had a local known clutch builder last night tell me that gasoline works well on Vegas.
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I've used gas to harden, or rush the curing process
ggodwin said:
I had a local known clutch builder last night tell me that gasoline works well on Vegas.
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Yikes! Gas will pull some oils out of the rubber and make them harder over time.
I'm not sure if that's what you really want/need.
Homemade preps are really a thing of the past. Most that are still mixing their own chemicals have gone to using commercially available preps and blending those. Mineral Spirits are the foundation of many preps out there (ie HL2 based.)
Gone are the days of mixing diesel fuel and transmission fluid, or acetone, lacquer thinner and the such.
Too much trial and error and the result still isn't near as good as the R&D proven commercially available preps today.
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You've gotten some info about some stuff your can use for prep other then buying already made prep.
Prep and adjustments to what you put on the track are all about how you need to use each tire at every place around the track.
Your going to prep for specific reasons and general reasons for different track conditions and racing situations.
To learn what does what your either going to get the info from someone else by asking questions or by trial and error.
Being new put something on the track that you know everything about as far as everything number wise about setup and tires.
Then bring what you observe on the track as far as a problem which is hurting you at a specific place on the track or over all and your info about what your putting out there to race here.
You will get info help to try to fix your on track problems.
I don't know if you'll get prep suggestions on using ex: Go Jo or Simple Green instead of a named brand and type of prep to fix specific problems.
It would be not only nice but fantastic if you do get solutions other then name brand products.
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I make my own preps for use in a common set of conditions at my own track.
If the conditions are off just a little, or if I’m at a different track, I use commercial every time.
If your driver/son is young enough and you start now its possible youll have a homebrew that you can rely on for all the tracks (and their conditions) that will put you up front before you quit racing.
Even if you made something that worked one night at your most raced track, the next week with different weather and track prep conditions might find you worse off than you are now. We all know that most preps are very similar and use basically the same ingredients and we also know we could theoretically get it right with a visit to the paint store. What we willingly pay for is the advise and knowledge of the guys we buy from.
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What we willingly pay for is the advise and knowledge of the guys we buy from.
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I think that's it in a nutshell
Once you learn enough you can mix the available preps to make your own, but I would start with the ones available at most kart stores.
Has Anyone Had The Experience Of Messing With A Prep Forumla Of 50% Toulene And 50% Xylene.
Because Im Going To Make My Own Tire Prep. To Expensive For Me To Buy It.
Xylene & Toluene: Think soft dry pencil eraser.
Ruining tires would seem to me to be much more expensive than buying a product that works.
If you need help, give me a call. I'd be glad to help you with our prep line, and most others, that could curb some costs rather than buying 49 flavors and experimenting.
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As Brian said this will soften tires, but it also will draw the natural oils out of the rubber. I used Zylol from Lowes and its the same mixture your talking about. It softened them real good but really dried them out and they would get harder after a few days.
Then they got so dry the rubber started to crack. Brian has some good preps that are very easy to use. It will be more cost effective to get a duro dropper and tire conditioner from him and save your tires, than buy a new set of tires after running the ones you got. I spent $50 dollars on his Pink panther conditioner and his monster duro droppera quart of each, and they are lasting quite a while.
I have experimented around with this mix and won races with it but it does dry out tires.
Best to stay away from these 2 chemicals if used straight...
Hey brain inside prep man told me to use Gk-1 with track tac red mixed 50/50 will this work
Hey brain inside prep man told me to use Gk-1 with track tac red mixed 50/50 will this work
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That combination will soften if that's what you want to do. Even still, I think TT has better products for softening than those or even mixing those.
I'm not sure if you meant inside prepping or not -- I wouldn't use those preps inside at all....unless you are wanting to soften the sidewalls and lower the spring rate a ton also.
A lot of the Pros use a mix of some sort using the TT BTGP internally.
If the tire changer is far away and you have time to make a custom car tire changer, then read how to do it.
Nothing complicated, but the result is no worse than at the service station.
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With a simple homemade tool made from scrap metal, changing a tire on a wheel rim is no problem. Even a novice auto mechanic will cope.
Read also: Armature bender from a connecting rod with a finger and scrap metalA self-made machine as a reduced copy of the factory one allows you to work with wheels of different diameters in manual mode.
The forces of special mounting devices are quite large, so it is better to firmly attach the homemade tire fitting to the surface.
A detailed process of manufacturing a tire changer and its operation features can be seen in the video below.
#1 DIY home tire changer / tire home with their own hands Using a homemade tire changer, you can quickly disassemble and bead the car wheels with your own hands.
Thus, when changing tires seasonally, as well as in case of their repair with punctures and cuts, there is no need to go to the service station - tire fitting work can be done in your garage.
Read also: Idea for a workshop: how to organize a workplace for a drilling machineChannel sections can be used as a base.
Cut three blanks to the desired length and then weld them together. We clean the welds with a grinder.
We also recommend reading an interesting review article on the topic: a home-made device for straightening a car body and removing dents. This homemade product will come in handy in any garage.
The next step is to weld the round tube post to the base. A piece of the rim is rigidly attached to the upper part of the rack by welding.
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A car wheel will be mounted on this "fungus" for further disassembly and flanging.
To perform tire fitting work, you will need a “mounter”, which can also be done by hand.
In addition to the rack, a lever with a stop is attached, with which it will be possible to tear the tire off the disc itself.
After the device is assembled, all that remains is to clean the metal with a grinder with a petal circle and then paint the homemade product.
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For details on how to make a tire changer for your garage with your own hands, see the video on our website.
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On the track, motorists face various troubles and breakdowns, one of which is a punctured wheel. You can replace it with a spare tire, which should always be in the trunk of a car, and a set of necessary tools. Do-it-yourself tire fitting is sometimes more profitable than applying for a similar service at a service station.
The help of specialists in this matter often costs quite a tidy sum, not to mention the seasonal replacement of tires, which is always accompanied by huge queues of drivers who decide to change wheels at the last moment. How to do tire fitting with your own hands, we will tell in this article.
Damage to a car wheel is always accompanied by symptoms such as:
Puncturing a wheel requires the driver to immediately stop the car on the side of the road and check the condition of the tire. If it is damaged, the following actions are carried out:
Do-it-yourself tire fitting is mostly done in the garage. You can disassemble and bead the tire with the help of special tools - mounts. Often do-it-yourself tire fitting is carried out using chisels. Do not use heavier tools - they can damage rubber, tube, rims and tires. In addition to conventional tools, you can use a special do-it-yourself tire fitting machine.
It is advisable to carry out the procedure for changing a wheel at a distance from the vehicle, since damage to the bodywork can be caused if the mount is broken. The driver must also take precautions to avoid injury if tools spring back.
Do-it-yourself tire fitting begins with wheel disassembly.
Before starting work, it is advisable to moisten the rim with soapy water - this will facilitate the process of removing the rubber. Do-it-yourself tire fitting after disassembling the wheel as follows:
The use of raw rubber or a special adhesive patch allows you to repair the tire after the tire has been done by yourself. A manual tire changer greatly simplifies and speeds up the entire process of changing tires. Tires are not retreaded if the puncture exceeds 12 mm.
Do-it-yourself tire fitting can be carried out using special equipment, it is sold in auto shops. In addition, you can independently make the desired machine: a large number of drawings are presented on the Internet. Tire fitting equipment is a structure equipped with two levers: one of them is equipped with a “dog” and a stopper, and the second is fixed. Pressing the lever allows you to easily and quickly remove the rubber from the wheel rim.
The rubber is removed using a disk with a special gear. It is rotated with a balloon wrench, which allows you to remove the rubber thrown over the disk.
To put on rubber, it must be filled under the roller. The entire tire fitting process rarely takes more than 10 minutes.
This kit consists of two parts: a bead breaker and a tire changer. The lower frame is made of a steel pipe in the form of the letter H with dimensions of 90 x 60 cm. At a distance of 30 cm from the edge to the jumper, a pipe with a diameter of 2 inches and a length of about one and a half meters is welded at a right angle. The weld can be reinforced with rectangular kerchief triangles. To mount the wheel on the pipe, the old hub is put on and welded. Its height is selected in such a way that the wheel placed on it is at the level of the person's belt. Above the cylinder, the pipe should rise no more than 30 cm and at the same time not interfere with work. At a short distance from the hub, a bracket is welded to which the bead beating device will be attached - it is made of a steel sheet 4-5 mm thick, in which a hole for the bolt is drilled.
The photo above shows a wheel bead breaking device. For its manufacture, a pipe of a larger diameter is taken so that a long lever can be inserted into it.
The lever is made of a steel pipe one and a half meters long, its tip is made of a steel rod with a diameter of 20 mm. The length of the lever can be varied and depends on the free space in the garage and the strength of the hands. The tips for the lever are made either using a grinder with a cleaning and petal circle, or on a lathe.
The smaller the angle at which the beading tip is welded to the arm, the easier it will be to put the tire rubber on the rim. However, it should not be made too small. During beading, the lever can scratch the wheel rim, so it is necessary to find the optimal angle.
Since the finished tire changer is lightweight, it must be fixed to the garage floor. This can be done with self-tapping screws if the floors are wooden, or with anchor bolts installed in holes and filled with concrete if the floor in the garage is concrete.
