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trey88
01-11-2007, 05:47 PM
Hi, I have a 400ex stock except a sprocket and I was wondering if anyone had any tips for slow wheelies. I do them in 1st gear since I'm trying to get a good feel for everything before I start getting some speed. I've been clutching them, with one foot on the grab bar mostly. Is it better to bring it up slowly, or snap the clutch and drop a lot of weight back and then trying to balance it before it goes past the balance point. When I go past the balance point too quick I can't move my weight up to save it and I hit the grab bar. I kinda got a feel for the balance point but it's still sorta hard. I was thinking if I put the stock sprocket back in, that would give me a little more throttle to work with, and it wouldn't snap back on me so quick like it does sometimes.
Thanks.
trey88
01-11-2007, 06:41 PM
I practiced a little more and I can control it a little better. My biggest problem is when I go past the balance point, I can't recover from it, like theres too much weight on the back. The only for me to really keep the grab bar off the ground was to get on the rear brake, which puts it down sometimes, other times it seemed to be too far gone to do much.
JLanphear
01-12-2007, 10:51 AM
Slow wheelies are harder than fast wheelies.
You can do it either way...brining it up quickly, or bringing it up a little more slowly.
The quicker you bring it up, the slower you'll be going. If you bring it up a little slower, you'll be going faster by the time it gets to balance point.
Typically if I were to want to just do a regular slow, normal wheelie I would get the quad rolling nice and slow...maybe a 1/4 throttle if that. Let of the gas, and then punch it and pull up on the bars.
I'd let off rather quickly as the quad approaches balance point, but usually won't let off all the way. Once there, smoothly adjust the throttle to the proper position so that you can remain at the balance point. This type of wheelie should not require the rear brake if you practice enough.
If you want to go extra slow, then begin from a complete stop. Dump the clutch nice and hard (but smooth), while pulling up on the bars. If I'm doing it with one foot in the grab bar, I'll also add a little bounch in there for added weith transfer which helps it come up quicker and helps with traction also. As the quad approaches balance point pull in the clutch and be ready to firmly but smoothly hit the back brake. Once the quad reaches balance point, or slightly past, give it some back brake to bring it back down a bit. You'll want to bring it more to the lower part of the balance point, or even slightly below. Be ready when it reaches that height on it's way back down and smoothly release the clutch while giving it gas.
......you basically repeat these steps for as long as you want to keep the wheelie up. The higher you bring it, and the less you let it fall back down, the slower you will go.
Anyway, that's about it.
-Josh
trey88
01-12-2007, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the tips, I'm going to go practice these for a little while, and see how they help.
Ruby Soho
01-12-2007, 06:35 PM
for me, when i walk it (really slow in 1st) i use the clutch, and then i use the gas to bring the front end up, and as it falls i give it more gas and so on
trey88
01-12-2007, 06:59 PM
That seemed the best way for me for doing it at a dead stop, I think I eventually just lose touch and hit the grab bar or fall foward (usually the former.)
Running at a slow pace then punchin it made it a lot easier, I rode some good ones like that, just ran high in the rpms.
I played around doin some 1st gear sitdowns also, I rode some real good ones for me (20 feetish) then I lost touch.
I think I just need to figure out where exactly to sit in the seat, and play around with the throttle a little more. I've mostly been doin them with one foot in the grabbar.
idro
01-13-2007, 11:05 AM
what helped me was putting my foot on the grab bar, then sitting on the back of my foot. That made a world of difference.
400exfan19
01-13-2007, 01:38 PM
u shuld easly be able to just lean back really far and give it a bit of gas and it shuld pop right up. it just takes a bit of pratice. as soon as u do it 1nce ull b able 2 do it all the time
jokester
01-15-2007, 01:02 AM
I can ride slow wheelies forever and even bring it to a complete stop and start it back out again!!
anyway though what I do is put my left foot in the grab bar, right foot covering the rear brake. then I pretty much just let the quad idle forward, then give it gas and press with my left foot to bring the front end up fast.
Then when it starts to go past the balance point I "SLIGHTLY" tap the rear brake and let the front end come down a little. I don't like to let it get past the below the balance I like to keep it more towards the very top of the balance point where your about to hit the grab bar, but if you use your rear brake you won't let it hit the grab bar with enough practice... once you get this down good enough you'll start to stall your quad from going so slow, then thats when you have to start pulling in your clutch while your not moving..but that will come in time. For now just practice practice and practice some more!!
red4ever
01-15-2007, 02:56 PM
i start from a dead stop in 1st gear and pop it up then shift into 2nd and feather the throttle to keep it almost straight up while keeping the revs low
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exrider89
06-08-2005, 02:23 PM
can i do something to the carb, like and adjustment to help do 1st gear wheelies easier withought using the throttle.
is there an idle screw that i can loosen to make it idle a little faster. i ride a 400ex thanks
06-08-2005, 02:53 PM
that how you do a no handed manual what you do is crank your idle up rly high then do a normal wheelie un till you are up to your balancing point and then let go of the throttle and you should be avble to control it completely wiht you brake (let off the break to go up put on the brake to go down)
300extreme#8
06-08-2005, 07:51 PM
hope u don't plan on ridin a wheelie without using the throttle:confused: dude listen,use ur clutch it's nothin hard,practice till u know what ur doin,wheelie r the easist things to do ,just start at a dead stop ,pull the clutch in and rev it up and pop the clutch , and lean back , u don't have to do any work to ur powe just to ride a wheelie ,my goodness.. hahaha
LukeEX
06-08-2005, 08:17 PM
On a 400ex you dont even have to pop the clutch just stop then leanback and gun it, it pulls back like a piece of cake.
dickens07
06-08-2005, 09:10 PM
i know how to do a wheelie, i have it mastered i just want to start doing trick wheelies on a 12 bar and i was wondering if you had any info on how to set my idle up to where when i get it balanced i dont need to use the throttle much. i am not trying to be a dick but i can ride wheelies just fine but i just want to do slow fun trick wheelies.:devil:
06-09-2005, 12:35 AM
Originally posted by 660r_freestyler
that how you do a no handed manual what you do is crank your idle up rly high then do a normal wheelie un till you are up to your balancing point and then let go of the throttle and you should be avble to control it completely wiht you brake (let off the break to go up put on the brake to go down)
thats how you would do it and you can do no handed manuals this way to
those directions are curticy of Josh Lanphear cu when it comes to stunting hes the man to ask
keshon
06-09-2005, 05:17 AM
their is a screw right below the choke that you turn to adjust the idle.
The only reason you should mess with it is for no handed stuff. I can slow it all the way down to a stop and start going with out messing with it. But you can't ride it 2 long with out your hand on the throttle with out messing with it
JLanphear
06-09-2005, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by 300extreme#8
hope u don't plan on ridin a wheelie without using the throttle:confused:
hehehe.....haven't you seen no-handed wheelies? You don't touch the throttle, you just crank your idle up and use the brake to keep the wheelie going.
Yeah, as the others said, just turn the screw under your carb....it's on the left side (if you are sitting on the quad) and it's pretty large, you can't really miss it. You can typically turn them with your hands.
You will also want to make sure you have good back brakes...that can make or break a no-handed wheelie (no pun intended). I can't do them for crap on my 400ex...maybe 75ft tops, but more like 30-40ft on average.
...but on my buddies Z400 with good brakes, I can go over 300ft plus no problem....just wish I had a bigger parking lot to use because you could probably go forever it's so sweet.
good luck man.
-Josh
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ATVs (all-terrain vehicles) are compact and versatile vehicles. They are used for extreme recreation and sports competitions. They can effortlessly ride off-road and rough terrain.
Wide wheels and a powerful engine make it easy to overcome dirt roads, potholes, ravines and slopes. Many summer residents, hunters and fishermen prefer to travel on ATVs. They can carry goods. In winter, they replace snowmobiles. A trip on such motor vehicles brings a lot of pleasant emotions. However, quad biking is an extreme form of transportation. And it is better to do it with professional instructors of the QuadRider club. Unlike motorcycles and other vehicles, they have a short wheelbase, narrow width and high center of gravity. Improper driving often leads to rollovers. Important to know how to drive an ATV correctly to avoid dangerous accidents. Appropriate training and compliance with driving rules is a guarantee of safety not only for drivers, but also for pedestrians.
Before driving an ATV, you must do the following:
Accessories should be practical and comfortable. You can buy them in specialized stores. Wearing protective gear greatly reduces the chance of injury. Operating a vehicle without a license and skills is fraught with serious injuries and large fines.
Strictly prohibited:
The rider's weight has a big impact on the handling of the ATV. Centrifugal forces are compensated by transferring body weight to the rear or front of the vehicle. Quads are a powerful technique, prone to tipping over and slipping. Wrong driving can cost lives. In this regard, it is necessary not only to know0031 how to ride a quad bike , but also to learn the basic rack.
When riding an ATV standing up, it is easier to avoid tipping over. There are 3 main stances common among ATVs. Each of them is used in certain situations.
The arms are slightly bent and turned outward. A dangerous stance option is a tense back and straight legs. In this position, the body cannot absorb shocks and shocks. The spine and joints are subjected to enormous loads. In this situation, control over transport worsens.
The main ATV controls are located on the steering wheel. On the right handle are: throttle trigger, differential lock switch (2WD / 4WD / LOCK) and fuse. On all-wheel drive, cargo transportation, off-road driving and slippery roads are usually carried out. The differential lock ensures the synchronous rotation of the wheels. On the left side of the steering wheel is the ignition switch, engine start button, headlight switch and horn button.
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You need to drive down the slope in low gear, moving the body towards the top of the hill. Hang your body completely on the steepest slopes. On the slopes, you can not brake sharply and pick up speed sharply. If the slope is slippery and steep, try to take a different path.
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When driving over bumps, for example, those of the "wave" type, the driver must change his position all the time. So, when approaching an obstacle, you must shift your body back, otherwise you can hit the obstacle with your wheels. When driving over a bump, you need to move the body back forward, thus preventing excessive separation of the front wheels, i.e. rearing up the ATV. Then, when the rear wheels come off the ground, you need to move back again, otherwise you can fall out of the saddle, hitting your knees on the steering wheel.
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ATV rider's weight is an important factor that affects machine handling. By shifting their weight, the driver can unload or load the front or rear of the ATV, thus compensating for centrifugal forces.
The first rule you need to learn is that when riding an ATV, you need to relax your arms. When driving, the driver can always let go of his hands, because his legs are holding him in the saddle. As the speed increases, the load on the legs also increases.
Conventionally, three racks are distinguished. The middle stance is used when driving in a straight line without turning. When opening the gas, the body must be moved forward to unload the hands. Thus, the front strut is obtained.
When braking and closing the gas, the body, on the contrary, must be moved back, i.e. take a back seat. By the way, the word "stand" comes from the word "stand", and this name is not accidental. When actively riding an ATV, you do not have to sit. Standing on an ATV lowers your center of gravity. After all, there is a huge difference between the weight on a high saddle and the weight on the footrests. And the effect of moving the body in a standing position is much greater than from fidgeting back and forth on the saddle.
When passing a corner on a motorcycle, it is tilted inward, thus fighting against centrifugal force. But you can't do that with a quad bike. Therefore, it is necessary to use the weight of the driver. The main rule here is to always transfer the weight inside the turn. Moreover, it is necessary not only to tilt your shoulders. It is necessary to hang the entire body, including the fifth point. Only the shin and knee hold on to the saddle.
Of course, if you turn at minimum speed, then you can limit yourself to turning the steering wheel.
The correct stance is characterized by slightly bent knees, elbows set apart, and a slightly arched and relaxed back. Why not stand on straight legs or keep your back straight and tense? Because bent knees allow you to absorb shock coming from uneven terrain. By the way, the force of these blows is sometimes quite enough to knock the driver out of the saddle. A straight tense back under such conditions can lead to injury to the intervertebral discs and even a compression fracture of the spine. Yes, and the internal organs with the wrong fit will have a hard time.
Active ATV riding requires good physical shape. So, in quad schools, the duration of the lesson does not exceed an hour, and at the end of the lesson, students can literally be squeezed out. And riding an ATV off-road is also an activity worthy of training in the gym.
When riding non-sport ATVs, it is best to avoid jumping.
Firstly, this way you can break the ATV. Secondly, in order to safely perform such tricks, the ATV motor must have high-torque and fast response to the throttle. If, nevertheless, the jump could not be avoided, then it is necessary to land in the middle stance, but be ready to move to the back. When the wheels touch the ground, you need to slightly open the gas. It is better not to use four-wheel drive when jumping.
Every time you ride an ATV, you need to practice looking into the distance. This is necessary to develop the habit of evaluating the trajectory of movement in advance. Beginners often do not have time to track the road, and at some point they are not ready to perform adequate actions. And another, very predictable obstacle, can become a problem for them.
| When moving along a slope, it is necessary to move the body in the direction opposite to the slope.
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Before you start climbing, you need to pick up speed. Then the resulting inertia will allow you to smoothly drive into the steepness. If you suddenly open the gas directly on the rise, the ATV may tip over. Climbing should be in the most forward stance and on medium gas. If the incline is too steep, the ATV may roll backward when the throttle is released. In this case, you should not brake with the front axle, not the rear. If the ATV starts to roll over, you can try to jump to the side, but this acrobatic stunt is unlikely to be successful.
On the steepest sections, full overhang should be used, such as when cornering at speed. 
