How to jump starter solenoid on atv


ATV Starter Solenoid Problems? Here are the Fixes

The starter solenoid turns an electric signal from the ignition key into a high voltage signal that activates the starter motor. If there is a problem with your starter solenoid, your ATV won’t start. While you can’t rule out replacing the starter solenoid, sometimes it’s not necessary and all it may need is a bit of troubleshooting.

Symptoms of a Bad Starter Solenoid

Before you make any conclusions, it is important you rule out other problems such as battery issues. Fortunately, there are several tell-signs that something is wrong with the starter solenoid. These include:

The vehicle doesn’t start

This is the most common sign pointing to issues with the starter solenoid. If you engage the ignition process and your vehicle doesn’t turn on, it may be because of a faulty starter solenoid.

Starter stays on after engine started

When you start the engine and stop pressing the starter button on modern vehicles, the circuit is supposed to close, discontinuing power to the starter motor. If your starter stays on after the engine has ignited, most likely the main contacts in the starter solenoid have welded together in the closed position.

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Clicking sound coming from the starter

This is a common symptom when the battery is low on amps, but it could also be the starter solenoid isn’t sending a full signal.

Intermitted starting problem

A starter relay sends power to the starter each time it is engaged. If it is not working properly, maybe due to damage arising from dirt, excessive heat, debris or other issues, the starter might operate sporadically.  If the starter doesn’t activate instantly when you try to start your ATV but then works when you turn the key switch once again, this is most likely a problem with the solenoid.

How Do You Test an ATV Solenoid?

There are two basic tests you can do to evaluate the condition of your solenoid. You will need the following tools:

  • Digital multimeter
  • Back probe kit

ATV Starter Solenoid Test 1

This test is designed to establish if the contactor is pushing up and completing the solenoid connection. To do that:

  • Using the back probes, connect directly from the battery to one of the solenoid wires that connect to the starter button. Start with the negative side of the battery.
  • Connect a second back probe to the solenoid and connect it to the positive side of the battery.
  • Once you have done this, you should hear an audible “click” as the connector is pushed up to complete the circuit.
  • If you do not hear it, the solenoid has gone bad. You’ll then need to move to the next test.

ATV Starter Solenoid Test 2

  • Simply disconnect the back probe from your battery’s positive terminal, while keeping in place the connections from the first test.
  • Connect the multimeter to the solenoid’s main connectors and set it to a resistance test.
  • You should see “OL” once connected, indicating an open circuit.
  • Then, connect the back probe connection from the first step to the positive side of your battery. This will energize the solenoid and push into position the connector, completing the circuit.

The tests involve first checking to make sure the connector is engaging and completing the starter circuit and then making sure the starter circuit is connected when the connector is engaged.

How Do You Start a Quad with a Bad Solenoid?

If you have a bad solenoid, you can start your quad by jumping the starter solenoid wires with a wrench. First, you will need to find the starter solenoid, usually located on the outside of the plastic next to or under the battery and close to the wiring harness. You should see two big main wires once you’ve located the starter solenoid. If it is set up, you can then jump the wires and be able to start the quad.

Is a Starter Relay and Solenoid the Same Thing?

A starter relay consists of a coil wire wound around a ferrous core and an armature on one of the coil. A starter solenoid, on the other hand, is a coil enclosing a movable plunger. Unlike in the starter relay where the coil core is immovable, a starter solenoid core is an iron or steel plunger free to move in and out of the coil. However, the terms solenoid and relay can often be used interchangeably.

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Can You Jump a Starter Solenoid?

You can jump a starter solenoid if you have a good and strong battery to start the engine. You should only proceed if your battery has enough current to turn the motor, otherwise, you won’t be able to start the vehicle by jumping the starter solenoid.

Troubleshooting Basics: Starter Solenoid | Scooter's Powersports

I think it’s safe to say that at one point or another, we’ve all had problems with an ATV starter. If you haven’t yet, you will. I have had starter issues with just about everything I have owned. You go to start your ATV and all you hear is, "CLICK". No engine crank.So you try it again and "CLICK". Nothing. You know the battery is good, you have the clutch pulled (if it has one), the ATV is in neutral, and the light is on but still… nothing. The first thing you should do in this situation is to check the battery and connections.

 

RULE OUT ANY ATV BATTERY PROBLEMS

If you haven't read our post on multimeters yet, now's a good time to check it out.

More than likely, you already know that the battery is good, but we’ve all been in a hurry. I've mentioned before that it seems like it can be easy to overlook something small because we’re so used to taking care of it.

Kind of like when you call tech support for a computer issue and the first thing they ask is, “Is it plugged in?” I know I am guilty of doing a quick run through and noticing later on that the battery terminals were loose or that the battery was low. Once you have verified that the battery is NOT your problem, the next thing you should look at is the starter solenoid.

 

LOCATE THE STARTER SOLENOID

An ATV starter solenoid can normally be found on the frame. It is usually located on the outside of the plastic right next to or under the battery and near the wiring harness.

 

A starter solenoid is a switch that controls a high amp load with a low amp. Starter solenoids come in all different shapes and sizes, but normally they have a round or square body with two larger and two smaller wires. The larger wires are for the high amp load and the smaller wires are for the low amp switch. If yours only has one smaller wire, the ground is coming from the frame where it is mounted. It may be sitting in a plastic or rubber cover, but it's not uncommon for it to be on the outside.

 

 

TEST THE SOLENOID-BATTERY CONNECTION

Of the two larger wires, one of them will be coming from the battery (red) and the other will go to the starter (black). You should be able to get a voltage reading from the red wire coming from the battery. Do this by using the voltage setting on your multimeter, with the red lead on the post and the black lead on a frame ground or negative battery terminal.

 

 

If you do not have voltage at the post on the solenoid that connects to the battery, check your connection at the battery and then trace the cable from the battery to the solenoid checking for any breaks or a loose connection.

 

 

The other wire should not have a voltage reading.

 

 

Of the two smaller wires, one is a negative, or a ground, and the other is positive. I have found that the easiest way for me to test these is to unplug the connector and put both test leads into the ATV wiring harness side connector; the reading here should also be zero.

 

 

Now turn the key and get the bike ready to start (do not actually start the bike, just take the usual steps you would before starting; i.e., turn the key, make sure the bike is in neutral, etc.) This step can get kind of tricky if you've only got one set of hands. I definitely recommend using test leads with alligator clips on the ends. You can pick up the clips for around 50 cents a piece and make your own or buy a pre-made set for a couple of bucks.

 

 

When you push the start button, you should get a reading of 12V.

 

 

This battery in this photo is our test battery, so we expect the voltage to be a little low. We use this guy whenever we've bought a used ATV without a battery or for demonstration purposes. Along with our multimeter, he's made appearances here, here, and here. As long as you have a reading that is close to 12V, we'll move on.

If not, you may want to run this test a few more times to make sure you have done all of the normal stuff you would do when you start your ATV (like making sure it is in neutral, all of your wires are connected, etc). I know it is redundant but you would not believe the amount of times I have been called out to a HMMWV (that would be a Hummer in civilian speak) that would not start, only to find it was left in gear.

If you still are unable to get a voltage reading, more than likely there is an issue with a safety switch or a kill switch. Due to the vast differences between ATV models, you will want to refer to the service manual for your specific model of ATV. If you are stuck on this step, feel free to contact us and I will see what I can dig up for you. If you've gotten a voltage reading close to 12V, you can confirm that thepush button is working and giving the solenoid the signal to close.

 

TEST THE SOLENOID-STARTER CONNECTION

The last thing to check now is the starter. To test the connection between the solenoid and the starter, plug the connector back into the wiring harness and test for voltage on the starter side (big terminal) while pushing the start button.

If you've gotten a voltage reading close to 12V, you can confirm that the push button is working and giving the solenoid the signal to close. The last thing to check now is the starter. To test the connection between the solenoid and the starter, plug the connector back into the wiring harness and test for voltage on the starter side (big terminal) while pushing the start button.

 

 

If you do not have voltage reading, then your solenoid is bad and will need to be replaced. If you do get a voltage reading, trace the large wire from the solenoid to the starter and make sure it has no cuts or breaks and that it is tightly connected to the starter. If there are no issues with the wire or connection, then your issue is with the starter and it will more than likely need to be replaced.

It seems like a lot of steps to get to this point, but if you don’t conduct all of the above tests in the correct order, you could be misdiagnosing the problem. What may appear to be a bad solenoid, may really be something as simple as the kill switch being turned off or the bike being in gear (Don’t ask me how I know. Ok, ask). We'll be back in the next few weeks with some more troubleshooting posts, but in the meantime, let us know what you think.

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Retractor relay: starter control

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Retractor relay: starter control

Electric car starter is controlled by a special device located on its body - a retractor (or traction) relay. All about solenoid relays, their design, types and principle of operation, as well as the correct selection and replacement of the relay in the event of a breakdown - read in this article. nine0003

What is a starter solenoid?

Starter solenoid relay (traction relay) - automotive electric starter assembly; a solenoid combined with a contact group that connects the starter motor to the battery and mechanically connects the starter to the flywheel crown when starting the engine.

The solenoid relay is included in the mechanical and electrical parts of the starter, controlling their joint work. This node has several functions:

  • Connecting the starter drive (bendix) to the flywheel ring gear when starting the engine and holding it until the ignition key is released;
  • Connecting the starter motor to the battery;
  • Retraction of the drive and disabling the starter when the ignition key is released.

The traction relay, although it works as part of the starter, is a separate unit that plays an important role in the operation of the engine starting system. Any malfunction of this unit will make starting the engine much more difficult or impossible, so repair or replacement must be carried out as soon as possible. But before buying a new relay, you should understand its types, features and principle of operation. nine0003

Design, types and features of solenoid relays

Starter solenoid assembly

Electric starters currently use identical solenoid relays in design and operation. This assembly contains two interconnected devices - a power relay and a solenoid with a movable armature that turns it on (and at the same time brings the bendix to the flywheel).

The design is based on a cylindrical solenoid with two windings - a large retractor and a retainer wound on top of it. On the back of the solenoid is a relay housing made of a durable dielectric material. On the end wall of the relay there are contact bolts - these are high-section terminals through which the starter is connected to the battery. The bolts can be steel, copper or brass, the use of such contacts is due to high currents in the starter circuit when starting the engine - they reach 400-800 A or more, and simple terminals would simply melt at such a current. nine0003

Inside the solenoid is a movable rod, which on the relay side carries a contact disk - a circle of brass or other alloy. The rod is withdrawn from the contact bolts by a spring, therefore, in the non-working position, the circuit is open. Also, a massive anchor is located inside the solenoid, however, this part does not have a rigid fixation and, if necessary, can be easily removed. The armature is a metal (steel) rod of circular cross section, it is spring-loaded and protrudes from the solenoid in the non-working position. At the rear end of the armature there is a recess for resting against the relay rod. On the outer part of the anchor, a groove, hole, brackets or other devices are made for connection with the starter drive plug. nine0003

This whole structure is placed in a metal case (separable or non-separable), on the dielectric case of the relay there are terminals for connecting the assembly to the appropriate electrical circuits - the power circuit, the ignition switch circuit and, if provided, to the ignition coil circuit. The relay is rigidly mounted on the starter housing.

Traction relays, having a fundamentally identical design, are divided into two types according to their functionality (and the number of contacts on the relay side):

  • Only with the function of closing the power circuit - supply voltage from the battery to the starter motor;
  • With the function of closing the power circuit and the circuit of the closing coil or other equipment.

The first type of relay has the construction described above, while the second type relay has an additional terminal with a spring contact, which is closed by a contact disk. In the relay of the first type there are only four terminals - two power and two low-current (for connecting the retracting and holding windings), and in the relay of the second type there are already five terminals - two power, two low-current and one additional. nine0003

The principle of operation of the traction relay

Connection diagram for solenoid relay with auxiliary contact and auxiliary starter relay

Solenoid relays of all types have the same principle of operation. There are three processes running in parallel at this node.

When the ignition key is turned to the starter position, current from the battery is supplied to both coils of the solenoid - retracting and holding. A magnetic field arises in the solenoid, which draws in the armature - it overcomes the resistance of the spring and enters the inside of the solenoid until it stops. Moving, the armature pulls the fork, which, acting as a lever, brings the starter drive with the drive gear fixed to it to the flywheel ring gear - the starter is mechanically connected to the engine. nine0003

Also during movement, the anchor pushes the rod with its back side. The contact disk fixed on the rod rests against the contact bolts and closes the starter power supply circuit - the starter armature starts to rotate, the torque from it through the bendix goes to the flywheel and crankshaft, the engine starts. If the relay has an auxiliary contact, then when it is closed, current is supplied to the ignition coil or any auxiliary equipment necessary to start the engine. nine0003

When the contact bolts are closed, the retracting winding is short-circuited (its terminals are closed to each other), so it stops working. However, the holding winding is still connected to the battery, and the magnetic field it creates is sufficient to hold the armature securely inside the solenoid.

After a successful start of the engine, the ignition key returns to its original position, as a result of which the holding winding circuit breaks - in this magnetic field around the solenoid disappears and the armature is pushed out of the solenoid by the action of the spring, and the rod is retracted from the contact bolts. The starter drive is retracted from the flywheel crown, and the starter is disengaged. The traction relay and the entire starter are transferred to the position of readiness for a new engine start. nine0003

Selection, repair and replacement of the solenoid relay

The general arrangement of the electric starter and the location of the solenoid relay in it

The traction relay is subjected to significant electrical and mechanical stress, so there is a high probability of its failure even with careful operation. Various signs indicate a malfunction of this unit - the absence of a characteristic knock of the starter drive supply when the ignition is turned on, weak rotation of the starter with a charged battery, starter "silence" when the drive supply is running, and others. Also, malfunctions are detected when the relay rings - usually there are breaks in the windings, an increase in resistance in the power circuit due to burning and contamination of the contacts, etc. Diagnostic algorithms, usually given in the vehicle manual, help determine the malfunction. Often, it is difficult or impossible to eliminate the identified problems (for example, a break in the retracting or holding windings, breakage of the contact bolt, and some others), so the relay is easier and cheaper to completely replace. nine0003

Only those types and models of solenoid relays specified by the vehicle manufacturer should be selected for replacement. The purchase must be made by catalog numbers - this is the only way you can confidently change the unit and make the starter work in normal mode. It is difficult or impossible in principle to install a relay of another type (due to unequal dimensions), and if this can be done, then the starter may not work correctly or not perform its main function at all.

To replace the relay, the electric starter must be removed from the engine and disassembled, often with a special tool. When installing a new relay, it is necessary to carefully make electrical connections - the wires are pre-stripped and twisted, when fixing them on the terminals, it is necessary to ensure reliability by preventing sparking and heating. All operations are best performed in accordance with the recommendations prescribed by the automaker in the instructions for the repair and maintenance of the vehicle. nine0003

In the future, the traction relay, like the starter itself, requires only periodic inspection and testing in accordance with the maintenance regulations. When properly selected and replaced, this assembly will operate reliably and efficiently, providing reliable engine starting.

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